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що значить не має значення. ти хочеш надати платні послуги, то давай ім'я. треба ж перевірити хто ти і що ти. чи платиш ти податки, які на тебе відгуки. де саме знаходися, чи офіс у тебе як називається.

 

ти лікарів перевіряє? яка в кожного лікаря статистика? 

 

податки я плачу небесній канцелярії - хочеш перевірити - можу відправити, правда в один кінець :)

 

ти мене на вулиці навіть не помітиш

 

до 2014 був на кацапських езотеричних форумах під ніком- Svitlomyr

 

 

 

Эзотерика на вере стоит.

розмішив, в мене три товстих зошита розмальованих з допомогою лінійки, циркуля та Вищого Я

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Давайте злегка повернемось до теми

Вашій увазі пропонується дві не найсвіжіші статті по темі гілки ( ББС та ДВ) та досить свіже соціологічне опитування від самої відомої контори в США

 

Where does the Republican Party go after Trump?

 

By Pratiksha Ghildial


BBC News, Ohio

 

Published 9 December 2020          

 

Donald Trump may have lost the election but he won a record number of votes, and tightened his grip on states like Ohio. So what can Ohio tell us about the Republican Party's future?

 

Powell, a suburb of the capital Columbus, has a charming and old-worldly feel.

Its picturesque neighbourhoods with big houses and rolling lawns reinforce the much romanticised pop culture images of the ideal American suburban life. The downtown market is lined with small cafes, handicraft shops, ice-cream parlours and wine stores.

President Trump won this county and, though the election is long over, many shops and businesses still have 'Trump-Pence 2020' campaign signs staked in their lawns.

Among them is a cigar shop called Stogies where a 'TRUMP 2020' banner is the centrepiece, flanking photos of Groucho Marx and Winston Churchill - celebrities of a bygone era - holding lit cigars.

 

Concentric rings of smoke fill this cosy lounge, which used to be a church in the early 1900s. There is a group of men inside seated on sofas, all smoking cigars. President Trump looks down on them from an autographed photo.

They are all Trump supporters and part of the electorate that gave him a decisive victory in Ohio. Mostly in their 50s and 60s, they're college educated professionals and businessmen.

Neil Berberick, a retired professional says: "What Trump has done is that he has gone back to core values. He picked up the people that were forgotten by the Democrats. He was in tune with us. He has changed the Republican party for the good.''

There is a sense of longing for President Trump - even though they still don't entirely believe he's lost the presidency.

Asked about the future of the Republican party after Trump, Taylor Burkhart, a young mechanical engineer says: "The party is not just going to dissolve because Trump may not be on their ticket. Someone will fill his shoes. We'll find someone else whose values that we agree with."

 

But there is also this deep hope in the smoke-filled air that Mr Trump remains a force in Republican politics.

The owner of the cigar lounge, Hassan Dakhteh, an Iranian immigrant who came to the United States over 40 years ago, says: "I think he will run in 2024, I hope he runs in 2024."

President Trump remains a dominant force in Ohio. He won the state's 18 electoral college votes and also the popular vote by more than eight percentage points. According to the AP, he won more votes than any other presidential candidate in the state's history.

It's a testament to how effectively Mr Trump spoke to rural and working class Ohioans and created a base that adores him.

 

But not all Republican voters here endorse Mr Trump.

About 14 miles from the cigar lounge, outside a grocery store in Hilliard, Amber Baumgartner is preparing to do some grocery shopping.

She is a 56-year-old teacher who is passionate about healthcare for ordinary Americans. She leans conservative on most issues but is not a fan of the turn the Republican party has taken in the last four years.

"I am hoping they are going to learn," she says.

"They are going to see that this extremism, we are going to have to get a clamp on this. I feel that the last four years have been a joke, almost. It's been embarrassing, scary, terrifying actually. I am hoping that the party understands that and I think that they do. Because so many of them have been unwilling to get on the crazy bus."

 

 

 

 

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Стислий переклад: Трамп програв, але виграв рекордну кількість голосів виборців в окремих штатах, як Огайо. Кореспондентка ( етнічно індійського походження) з'їздила в Колумбус і поспілкувалась з електоратом репів. Господар сигарної лавки, іранського походження, є фаном Трампа, і сподівається на його балотування в 2024 році. Вчителька з німецьким прізвищем і консервативними поглядами ( такі звичайно були електоральним ядром репів ) в шоці від 4 останніх років, говорить про репів, що вони мають засвоїти урок. Оцінила політику цих років одним реченням "це все одне, що сісти в скажений автобус"

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Former Ohio governor and 2016 Republican presidential candidate John Kasich - a vocal critic of Mr Trump - thinks Republicans need to eschew Mr Trump's brand of politics going forward.

"It should become a party of ideas," he says. "It's been basically an anti-Democrat party. They don't have any ideas on healthcare, environment or the wealth gap."

The Democrats are not in great shape either, he adds, but Joe Biden might be able to appeal to middle America. "We'll see whether they will do that but Republicans really need to get some ideas otherwise they will wilt away."

 

However, Donald Trump remains overwhelmingly popular in Ohio and it's clear he will continue exerting influence on the Republican party even after he leaves the White House.

"His performance in 2016 and 2020 suggests that he is the most popular Republican in Ohio in quite a long time, maybe since Ronald Reagan," says Mark Caleb Smith, a professor of political science at the University of Cedarville.

His popularity among his base has allowed President Trump to attack senior party leaders who don't agree with him.

Among them Ohio's governor, Mike DeWine, for not backing his unsubstantiated claims of a rigged electionMr DeWine, though a supporter of President Trump, was one of the earlier Republicans out of the gate in recognising President-elect Joe Biden's win.

 

Emboldened by Mr Trump's attack, some fellow Republicans are even trying to impeach the governor for enforcing measures to curb Covid-19, which is at a record high in the state.

Gov DeWine, who took steps early on to combat the coronavirus and has handled the pandemic very differently to Mr Trump, has hit back at his detractors.

So how can Republican leaders like him deal with hostility from within his own party going forward?

Professor Smith says that keeping the deeply conservative base happy could be key.

 

"Governor DeWine is willing to sign anti-abortion legislation, for example," he says. "I'd expect that kind of thing to continue."

"His rhetoric on family and marriage will probably ratchet up a bit. Governor DeWine is a staunch Catholic and I would expect him to use that language more frequently about religion and his faith. I think that does quite well with the people who are supportive of the president."

Mr Trump did very well in Ohio in the rural areas outside of major cities such as Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati, where the electorate is predominantly white.

 

However, can the party really sustain itself nationally by focusing on his base?

Studies show that America is getting more diverse and minorities are already a powerful voting bloc, so Republicans will likely need new strategies going ahead.

 

 

Republican strategist Terry Casey says the party will look for new ideas but President Trump could potentially leave a lasting legacy.

"He has shifted the party somewhat for the good because the Republican party previously had the image of the party of the country club, and the Wall Street rich people. And now it has shifted to issues of the middle class or the working class and a lot of people in the Midwest who have been forgotten."

Whether Donald Trump continues to remain a powerful presence in Republican politics will be determined in the months to come. But one thing seems certain, both parties need to make sure that middle America - like Ohio - does not feel ignored.

 

 

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ця частина- думка еліт і експертів у Огайо. В кінці прогнозний висновок. Спадщина Трампа залишиться як орієнтація на пролетаріат та середній клас американської глибинки, але потрібно врахувати, що США стають більш різноманітними й виборцям міст, де зосереджене небіле населння теж треба щось запропонувати 

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І, зрештою, обіцяна стаття в Дойче Велле:

 

After Trump's loss: What does the future hold for Republicans?

 

He might not want to see it — yet — but Donald Trump's presidency is coming to an end. Republicans now have to choose whether they want to continue down the populist path or return to more conservative values.

 

Donald Trump has lost the US presidential election. Come January 20, 2021, there will be a Democratic president in the White House. Despite experts saying that the recounts are not going to make a difference and that the legal challenges are baseless, Trump is refusing to recognize his loss, and so are several of his high-level Republican friends.

"President Trump is 100% within his rights to look into allegations of irregularities and weigh his legal options," said Republican Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority leader, on Monday in a speech on the Senate floor.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo took it a step further in a press conference Tuesday.

"There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration," Pompeo said with a laugh.

"It's reckless and irresponsible to say this, jokingly or not," Laura Merrifield Wilson, assistant professor of political science at the University of Indianapolis, told DW.

 The confirmation from the highest levels of government that the election isn't over has encouraged Trump voters as well. They have staged protests across the country and are planning a "Million MAGA March," referring to Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan, in Washington DC on Saturday.

The continued support from party officials and regular people all over the US begs the question in which direction the party will go once Donald Trump is no longer president.

 

Not going back 'to pre-Trump ways'

In the four years that he has been president, Trump has changed the Republicans, from socially conservative to populist leaning. There are still old-school conservatives, who have publicly voiced their disapproval of Trump's policies, like John Kasich, the former governor of Ohio. But experts say they are not in the majority.

"If you look at Republicans in Congress, there are fewer John Kasichs and more Jim Jordans," said J. Miles Coleman, a political analyst with the University of Virginia Center for Politics. Jordan is a member of the House of Representatives and an ardent Trump supporter, who was part of the president's defense team in this year's impeachment trial.

Coleman adds that in the 2018 midterms, several "mainstream Republicans" retired and made way for "hardcore Trumpists" who took over their House and Senate seats. "I don't think the party is going to go back to pre-Trump ways."

Fear of attracting Trump's ire

This year's election appears to confirm that, despite the president's loss.

While Joe Biden won the presidential race, Republicans picked up a lot more seats than predicted in both chambers of Congress, beating several Democratic incumbents.

"Look at the Senate and House races: They went much better [for the Republicans] than expected," Wilson said. "They can't abandon the populist path now, it resonated with voters."  

Coleman agrees and points out that Trump still holds a lot of sway over his party and that many Republicans are weary of attracting the ire of him and his millions of social media followers.

"In the longer term, moderate Republicans might be able to prevent a Trump resurgence or to steer the ship a different way, but not right now," he said. "Maybe moderate Republicans can make some sort of comeback in the long run. But if Trump tweets against you, that's still bad for Republicans."

 

Holding on to Trump voters

Even when Republicans stick to what they have been doing, it's not guaranteed that the more than 72 million Americans who voted for Donald Trump in the 2020 election will continue to support the Grand Old Party.

"I think Trump has widened the base of Republicans. He spoke to voters who hadn't voted before, people who felt they weren't heard and didn't have their views represented before. He brought them over to the Republican party," Wilson said. "It will be interesting to see whether [these voters] stick with the Republicans or go back to not voting. Are they loyal to Trump only, or to the Republican Party?"

Another group that Republicans will be keen to hold on to that they weren't overly successful with before Trump: Voters of color.

"Republicans used to be the party of white people," Coleman said. "But President Trump has made inroads with Latinos in places like south Texas and Florida."

According to US census figures, in 2019, non-whites and Hispanics made up the majority of Americans under the age of 16. With these changing demographics in the US, it would be crucial for Republicans to hold on to and deepen these inroads if they don't want to face a drop in voters in the medium- to long-term future.

A dynasty, a TV network — or another run

As for the president himself, it remains unclear what his next steps will be — hardly a surprise for those who have followed the unpredictable president for the last four years. According to news website Axios, Trump has told his advisors privately that he is considering a 2024 run for president. Under the US Constitution, a president can serve two terms, but they need not be consecutive.

"I don't think he's going away," Coleman says. "He'll keep being a player in the Republican party."

There has been speculation, too, on whether Trump might start his own TV channel, after Fox News fell out of favor with the president.

 

Will Ivanka Trump or one of her brothers return to the White House as president?

A third option: Instead of running again himself, some pundits are suspecting Donald Trump could support one of his children in running for president.

"The idea of a dynasty might be appealing to someone like Trump," Coleman said.

His three oldest children, Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric, have all advised their father in policy questions, to varying degrees. While both Donald Jr. and Eric have participated in their dad's reelection campaign, it was their sister who was most visible, giving the speech introducing her father during the Republican Convention in August. Since 2017, she has held the title of "presidential advisor."

"Ivanka has certainly shown an interest in politics," Wilson said. "And political dynasties exist for a reason: The name recognition works well with voters. Look at the Kennedys, the Bushes and, going further back, the Roosevelts."

Whether the outgoing president will run again himself, support his children's political ambitions or start a TV network  it is unlikely that the name Trump will disappear from the headlines any time soon.

 

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Додік отримає імпічмент, нарешті, і упокоїться з миром. Ніхто йому не дозволить колоти партію ГОП.

Дойче Велле пише , що хтось із його дітей може стати президентом, як було вже в США - "династії" Кеннеді, Бушів, Рузвельтів

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Дойче Велле пише , що хтось із його дітей може стати президентом, як було вже в США - "династії" Кеннеді, Бушів, Рузвельтів

 

Навряд...... Вони тупі як двері....... Іванка хіба шо....... Але вона якась лялька нежива........... Президентами такі не стають,....... 

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Додік отримає імпічмент, нарешті, і упокоїться з миром. Ніхто йому не дозволить колоти партію ГОП.

Партія ГОП вже не жилець. Єдиний шанс то чистка від райносів сарьозна.

 

До речі те саме з фокс ньюз. Вони у паніці що їх ніхто не дивиться. Почали переставляти ведучих. Наняли Лео Террела, що заявив що він за Трампа і якщо той створить нову партію то він піде за ним.

 

А якщо його заімпічать заднім числом, то взагалі ніхтт за респів голосувать не піде. вмруть самі по собі.

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Дойче Велле пише , що хтось із його дітей може стати президентом, як було вже в США - "династії" Кеннеді, Бушів, Рузвельтів

Іванка ніяка чесно кажучи, але подивимось. Їй в сенатори спочатку підти б.

Там є Каденс Оуенз - вогонь жінка.

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Партія ГОП вже не жилець. Єдиний шанс то чистка від райносів сарьозна.

До речі те саме з фокс ньюз. Вони у паніці що їх ніхто не дивиться. Почали переставляти ведучих. Наняли Лео Террела, що заявив що він за Трампа і якщо той створить нову партію то він піде за ним.

А якщо його заімпічать заднім числом, то взагалі ніхтт за респів голосувать не піде. вмруть самі по собі.

Якщо заімпічать, то прожект Додіка з новою "патріотичною" партією піде па3.14здє ще не народившись, без лідера. Спонсорам ГОП нах не потрібний цей двіж виключно заради амбіцій одного Рудого дегенерата, який похерить одним махом їх багаторічні зусилля і фінансові вливання у партію. Так що, вангую, що основна маса респів у Капітолії дружненько голоснуть за імпічмент, за виключенням ну вже зовсім упоротих трампонів.
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Яка ще нах патріотична партія  :fp1:

То все ще ломка трампістів. Їхня bargaining stage.....

 

Єдиний шанс у респів залишитись якоюсь альтернативою - це трохи переосмислити деякі питання стосовно свободи особистості, щоб це дало їм шлях в серця широких мас...... 

Інакше буде гегемонія демсів на декади...... Що є погано....... 

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відмінять електоральний колледж і все змінеться 

 

Reload Page to see tweet..Link..

 

Для того шоб відмінити компроміс з рабськими штатами треба щоб ці рабські штати погодились його відміняти.......

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Якщо заімпічать, то прожект Додіка з новою "патріотичною" партією піде па3.14здє ще не народившись, без лідера. Спонсорам ГОП нах не потрібний цей двіж виключно заради амбіцій одного Рудого дегенерата, який похерить одним махом їх багаторічні зусилля і фінансові вливання у партію. Так що, вангую, що основна маса респів у Капітолії дружненько голоснуть за імпічмент, за виключенням ну вже зовсім упоротих трампонів.

кому потрібна партія без підтримки людей? чи вони домовляться з демами і будуть голоси на бумазі малювати?

у владу йшли вже декади не відстоювать ідеї а просунутись по партійній лініі зробити звязки та здриснути у великий бізнес або в лоббі.

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відмінять електоральний колледж і все змінеться

 

Reload Page to see tweet..Link..

можна багато чого відмінити. але демократи підуть легшим шляхом. вже зараз роблять ценз з урахуванням нелегалів, щоб підняти вагу своїх штатів з санкчурі містами. також ДАКА та заморозка кордону. вже найближчим часом буде неважливо що там голосують. Маючи на увазі ще що в дем штатах не вимагають Voter ID.
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Після того як ломка завершиться - доведеться почати сприймати реальність такою, яка вона є.......... 

Я думаю з 40% прихильників трампа більше половини здатні це зробити..........

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Укі, реальність це скільки ти грошей приносиш додому, безпека, інфраструктура. Це базові людські цінності.

Я не бачу жодного шансу для покращення цих параметрів при демократах, для себе особисто. Тому про який торг ти говориш незрозуміло. Торг жити гірше? Може ти мені поясниш розвиток економіки при Байдені? 15 долярів мінімалки мені неважливо, але то вбьє бізнес. паризький договір? вбьє бізнес. імігранти дака? соціал, дно, податки вбьє бізнес.

 

поясни, що покращиться? мене дивує, крім поняття "свій хлопець переміг", що конкретно особисто ти відчуєш від демів. для себе та сімї. може ти на соціалі сидиш? 15 долярів на годину?

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з першого дня бідон почав вбивати бізнес знищивши проект трубопроводу. всі інші шляхи - я не бачу жодного покращення для середнього класу та бізнесу. хіба для американців важлива легалізація 11 мільонів імігрантів? це так важливо на даний момент? або поверення перельотів з лівану?

 

жодна його ініціатива не покращує життя особисто мені та людям з доходом середнім на рік, а тільки погіршує. тому мене дуже дивують твої емоції.

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